option in 2010 when the democrats ran held 60 votes in the senate and had dominance of the house of representatives and could not pass the public opti option. >> rights. that was had 40 votes at the senate at the time and i was years ago. the affordable care act included these things called cooperatives that were supposed to remove the motor from healthcare and compete with private offerings and they were infused with billions in taxpayer loans and other 23 original ones that existed there are, i think, four left in 19 have failed. we seen some evidence that this does not go as planned. paul: briefly, kim, your advice to joe biden would be to go right out bernie and say your plan can't pass and you will destroy private health insuran insurance? or would you summarize? reporter: absolutely. hammer away on how it will take everyone's plan away and what it will cost, the taxes that you will cream the middle-class with

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