value is stuff that most voters even voters that like president trump already think. and there is one other thing i would say about all of this cohen stuff going on. in the midst of whatever lies he is still telling, he is giving house investigators, democrats, a lot of information. and if you look back at benghazi hearings, one of the reasons that benghazi investigation was such a big deal is because in looking at what hillary clinton did in reaction to and during the benghazi terrorist attacks, they looked into 15,000 pages of documents where they found this email address they have never seen before that email address led republicans to her private server which probably caused her the presidency. my point is there is a lot going on once you get all this mess going on with cohen and whether or not you can believe him might be a lot of information that is useful. >> bill: getting back to cohen, doesn't he impugn your case? >> absolutely. he undermines himself every day. we learn new information. new factual problems and let's also not forget this