had been doing for a matter of months before that point of view. they believed in their core of core that the president of the united states was a foreign agent, and they were going to conduct investigations come hell or high water. this provided a perfect excuse for them to do so. chris: i want to go quickly to this and move on. >> okay. no, and i think what you said, chris, is right. this is a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal investigation. and if they have, had real evidence that the president is a manchurian candidate, i think they would intervene right then. i mean, we can't have that go on, an unprecedented, whatever, collusion, cooperation arrangement with one of our most important strategic competitors, russia. so we'll learn soon from mueller what's going on here. i do want to agree with karl, agree with karl and deplore the leak of information like this. >> and i agree with your finding about this. [laughter] chris: okay, no, we need shouting. okay, i want to move on. [laughter]