country, the crimes are don't get committed and those people are still alive. >> it's a fallacy of causation. we have gang members. we have crime here. >> jason: no doubt. but i fundamentally don't understand why you don't see it. if somebody comes here illegally, if they've gotten here illegally, they wouldn't have committed the crime. >> that's not necessarily true. that's a false argument. the issue we have is we are assuming those people who are now being rearrested or being deported and coming back are coming back across the border walking and that's just not true. two-thirds of the people are undocumented. a wall isn't going to fix it. we need to shift -- >> jason: you don't think it fixes a little bit? >> no. what a wall does is a temporary barrier. it doesn't fix the problem. it only makes the weight larger. solving the problem is drawing the people here. if you have a criminal, why don't we release people out of the jails into communities that
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