whole thing? >> no, no, no, it's a very well-meaning thing. >> laura: you are not part of that crowd. >> mr. kushner sounds like he does own a lot of the land and the opportunity zones. they have all experienced capital appreciation for doing nothing. >> laura: i don't think it's doing nothing. you are taking a risk. pastor, you are taking a risk by putting investment in an area that has oftentimes been dangerous, very difficult to grow a company. or in the rural zones, just kind of desolate, and no investment at all. >> first of all, i think you have given the cato hater too much time. he is promoting negativism and doesn't want to talk about positive attributes of this. when you elevate the value of these depressed areas, the areas adjacent to the depressed areas automatically elevate their value as well. real estate 101 is when you look at property value, you look at