what our ruling class is now defending. it does make me wonder about their motives. christian * is a former state department advisor under president trump and george w. bush and he joins us, great to see you. there are many levels here, south africa's the only modern country in africa. it's a great country. it is worth helping them not go to the zimbabwe territory. why is it so hard for the state department to say that is wrong? you have client titus here, this happens in the regional bureaus. in this case it does in africa, too often they end up representing as opposed to their real job the interests of thein governme. which is to represent our interest to them. you saw that in the original statement. very weak defending south africa, completely glossing over the murder. >> tucker: why would -- one of our producers is married to a
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