his image, he's been behind it, and i don't buy it. e feel like when republican grassroots are energized they come out and vote. this is a moderate governor, doesn't get the base out the way you need. >> alabama, roy moore. >> that's a whole other thing. >> no, no, no. >> the voter fraud controversy is something that has come up. >> that was generally gunked up by the legal challenge. >> what do you think voters make of all of that. they see the president's support and -- >> they see kobach, given a tough job to get at the swamp, and really corrupt voter laws regarding that show i.d. to vote and they don't purge voter laws for dead people, they say i want that guy but he was resisted by the establishment. >> we're awaiting a letter from the president's trel team on conditions for a possible silt down interview. what trump's team wants