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cia. he got pushed out of the "l.a. times," ever since then, he's kind of climbed up the ladder, and now he is the star reporter at the msnbc and nbc, where that is all he does, just blindly and mindlessly repeat what the cia tells them to say, gives them anonymity, essentially their puppet and mouthpiece, that is called journalism over at msnbc. >> laura: but he's an expert. i mean, they hold him out as a real expert on brennan, clapper, the whole crowd, and so he speaks with authority, because he covered it for that much time , but until you did that foyer request, no one knew the back story. >> i think american journalism for a long time has been far too deferential. these intelligence operatives who operate in the dark, they give them anonymity. that was why we got the iraq war. i think ken dilanian takes this horrible practice, he is the world champion of benefiting his

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