>> harris: i hear you and all of that. the critics will say is they were risk when you publicly go after agencies like the doj for the fbi? we will move on because i want to get to paul manafort. in accusations against him of witness tampering ahead of his trial. you and i have talked before that much of what is being looked at with paul manafort happened long before the trump campaign, but i figured you might have some thoughts about what happened with paul manafor manafort. >> from what we've seen from the mall investigation is that they went after paul manafort for crimes that he allegedly committed back ten years prior to him ever joining the trump campaign. in the crime that he has been accused of is either money-laundering or falsifying tax returns or sheltering money. all things that have absolutely nothing to do with any rush effect collusion. so the issue is this, if he didn't follow the rules while he was lopping overseas and didn't disclose that, he is responsible for that. he's been trying to get

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