that he had no knowledge of the payments and now to admit he did that essentially he had made series of 30,000-dollar payments into michael cohen's bank account. you know, we have to say, paul, this is damaging to the president's credibility, both statements could not be true, he's now the president of the united states, he's dealing with larger issues like iran nuclear deal, the north koreans all whom are looking for credibility from the president of the united states, that didn't help. paul: it doesn't help him, bill, i agree with dan on this, if you're trying to say to the american public believe me on mueller, if you lied about stormy daniels -- >> look, it doesn't help, on the other hand u did anyone believe this at the beginning? paul: no. but that's another way of saying, nobody should believe the president on anything. >> a lot of people don't. [laughter] paul: but you can't operate like a president if nobody believes you in crisis? >> president trump has done that so far and a lot of people don't
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