some democrats argue first of all that by sending out 4,000 national guardsmen that it's an utter waste of money, it's not like they can go out and arrest, they can just protect. they should be used elsewhere. what else is there to do? there's no immigration policy put in place at this point. a wall or spending for such was not in the latest spending bill. it seems that this is the only solution at this juncture. >> well, there's no question that at least in terms of this being a really outrageous new change, that's relatively political and over-blown. the number is up to 4,000 deployed. president bush sent 6,000 a decade ago. and it's for some of the same, similar sorts of things. i do think at least -- the other side of the political coin is there are political benefits to president trump doing this. he's had some difficulty with getting his immigration agenda passed in congress and this allows him to say to people who care about border security,
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