public. leland: do you think they're firing shulkin was a good idea and by that you applaud the president for nominating ronnie jackson. you fill that's a good choice? >> i think the vetting process will show the qualifications. we know he is a clinician. he understands clinical medicine, which i think it's high time we had somebody like that in the secretary's position. >> we put together a list of the past three secretaries of veteran affairs. very different backgrounds. you talk about a clinician. it appears as though it david shulkin was a clinician in the beginning parts of his career. bob mcdonald who was a west point graduate, highly decorated member of the west point class and an army captain. general shin seki was a four-star general and a decorated vietnam veteran. what about admiral jackson? what qualities does he not have or does he have that the other three men don't have that you