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as other white houses have to the white house to the counsel's office or maybe to the chief of staff and said, just want to let you know, there's things in this person's file that would prohibit that person from getting a permanent security clearance. might want to do something about that and in most administrations because that person wasn't going to get a security clearance, they would have been let go back then. but either that didn't happen, shep or it happened and people here aren't saying that it happened. shep? >> shepard: how is it possible that the person who reads everything that goes to the president of the united states' desk, everything, how is it possible that that person does that while doesn't have a security clearance? that makes no sense. >> he had an interim security clearance. most interim security clearances don't last that long. this one landed a particularly long time. the white house insists a security clearance investigation was ongoing.

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