defendants are charged with special counsel mueller like paul papadopoulos, paul manafor manafort? >> i would think so. it does not call for the most maximum sentence. it simply calls for charging the crime most serious crime with the minimum sentence for that most serious crime. >> i was confused about one thing that came up in the various questioning about the meeting with mr. papadopoulos. at one point i heard you to say, you told him essentially, no, do not go. you try to shut it down. the trip. another point i heard you say, do not represent yourself by speaking for the campaign. if you could clarify that. are you telling him not to go or not to go and officially speak for the trunk campaign >> i have no specific -- i
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