the president said is rumsfeld alive? secretary rumsfeld was very much alive. he had moved from his office to join the rescue efforts outside the building but the president was concerned that he was gone. i remember there was so -- i just flinched when i heard that and looked to the side and realized the car was surrounded by four police cars, two on either side matching our speed 85 miles per hour. i never seen that before and never saw it again. i asked the detail later that day eddie why that was. he said we were afraid that our whereabouts were known and afraid a car bomber might try to get to the presidential limousine. we wanted the car bomb to go off giving the president a better chance of surviving. >> jon: karl, the vice president is in shanksville, pennsylvania making remarks. >> president trump asked me to be here to pay a debt of honor
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