mine in the western part of the u.s. say these are not free market principles. and you just switched from a democrat to republican. what would you say to them about that? >> well, it's just a matter of national security. think about if you awaken to the fact the eastern coal fields are gone and there is a disruption. there is a bomb at a gas junction or at a bridge or two that is bringing western coal. what are we going to do? are you willing to take that level of exposure? i truly believe -- i'm not for a hand-out. i truly believe there will be a point in time to where we can truly maybe do without eastern coal. but today if you can take that risk, if we were to lose our power -- first of all if we had the mines still running in the east and had a disruption we could haul it to the power plants in the east, florida

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