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>> to think, i know you been very critical about some of the comments been made by democratic leaders, for example during the election campaign, the deplorable's comment. is that the kind of thing you're talking about in terms of not understanding this experience. >> i think that's a good example and i think another example, and i'm a democrat, full disclosure, but i think the metaphor of the glass ceiling. what is the glass ceiling about? it's about that high status women should be able to get the same jobs as their high status husbands. the middle class actually doesn't care. they don't care about that. what they want are the kinds of jo tt their pares had, not necessarily glorious jobs or even college educated, require college degrees, but they want the kind of jobs that lead to a solid middle-class life.

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