criminal klan a long time ago. >> i think what we're learning with the trump jr. meeting is when you meet with any russians, you're meeting with russian intelligence. and, therefore, president putin. >> tucker: when you meet with any russians you are meeting with president putin. that's the level of debate in washington. michael caputo got hauled in front of a congressional committee today. he advised the presidential campaign. he was at closed door house hearing not long ago. he joins us now with an update. michael, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. tucker, i want to congratulate you on the success of your show. i always admired your affinity for the grateful dead. i'm really happy to be here. >> tucker: thank you. there is a lot i don't know about this story. and i'm sincere in wanting to learn more. so, what did you learn in the event you went to today, the closed door session? >> this is a fishing expedition. >> tucker: okay. >> they told u two hours they