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hobbles the exchanges as a way of taking down, trying to take down the essential positives of the affordable care act. >> martha: you believe, basically, the structure in place, although it backs off the long term additions to medicare over the years, do you feel like -- we were talking, we said basically he was kind of pleased with this version because it is still obamacare. do you agree? >> no, i think it's like a neutron bomb. they left the structures in place and killed the people. that's one way of thinking about this bill. it gets rid of the 22 million people who have coverage while leaving a lot of the structures of the affordable care act in place. that's not compassion. a lot of the house people voted for the house bill, on the premise that the senate would fix the bill. the senate did anything but fix the bill, did not make it more compassionate. it is still -- >> martha: what do you make of the argument under obamacare,

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