everywhere. the epa, which is very much morphed away from being antipollution, environmental protection, and morphed into federal bureaucratic control of the most arcane things like ditches and people backyards, it cannot be immune from those cut cuts. >> martha: julie, your thoughts? >> i would suggest to go to places like flint, michigan, the devastation of lead protection. the epa did not do a good job with that. blood protection, and your home state of new jersey. >> martha: you can do good work and cut costs. it is possible. people do it all the time. >> not when you take acts like that, at a quarter of the budget, that is a lot of clean water he wants to prevent. >> martha: let see how it goes. julie, thank you. charlie, thank you. good to see you guys. we are getting reports that her new secretary of state is considering the iran deal and
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