there are outspoken conservatives who still work. last question. mel gibson. does that surprise you? getting nominated for best director and best picture? >> hollywood knobs narratives, right? people get built up, they get turned down, built up come again. >> bill: have they forgiven him? >> they have forgiven him. i think people like this, they have forgiven them. let's rumor who is in a in the academy. elderly people, a lot of women. they forgave him. these are the people that he largely offended. remember, we have one agency who fired him, refused to work for him, now, he signs with a rifle across the street. >> bill: i was surprised. most of the people i know, most of the people i knew were surprised. it was a good movie. >> it was a great movie. >> bill: janice, it is always a pleasure to talk to you. when we come back, karl rove on how president trump should handle all of the controversies coming his way. then, watters doing what watters does in california. moments away.
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