we don't want that. >> what does the inability to admit mistakes tell you? >> they don't have humility or probably integrity. that's impossible. if you try to do anything, you make mistakes. that's how you learn. >> don't you want all the hot shot mbas from harvard and elsewhere? >> we find we do better from community colleges, rural colleges. like our, after i was president of koch industries, our next presidents were -- one didn't graduate from college. went a couple of years to, let's see, murray stating ary culture college. went for a couple years. another from texas a&m. another one university of tulsa. and the current president is from a state college. >> how come? >> because we believe they have value for long-term success. we're not in it to make a quick
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