traditional would you say? >> i would say it was a traditional conservative catholic family. >> and you started to work as i did very early? >> between the ages of 16 and 20. i had 16 jobs. the first interesting job i landed was the sports producer in cincinnati, ohio. >> the anchorman was jerry springer. >> yes, he was. he was our newscaster. he was minus man. i got the age at age 20, 2 1, making 9 i can't understand -- grand a year. >> you become on air guy in cincinnati. >> the bulls won until tonight. >> and then you quit? >> yeah. >> why did you quit? >> i had my mid life crisis at age 26. >> and i had saved $15,000. and my grand-am biggs in the world was to backpack around the world before i turned 30. i took my dream job in my hometown and left it on the table. that was a big risk that i took. it was china and it was vietnam. it was indonesia india nepal. >>s that's a real -- you
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