iowa and new hampshire. we'll surprise a lot of people. the polls are still so early. most all of these polls, they won't tell you this, but 2/3 of the people being polled in every poll are still undecided. so we think it is too early to give up on anything or make any decisions. jenna: what kind ever challenges do you have fund-raising though? because the numbers are where they are, certainly your points are well-taken. the segments wen a little later in the program, talking about how leaders in the polls don't necessarily win. as far as challenging for fund-raising, senator paul, being able to actually fiscally fund your campaign, what position are you in right now? >> well, we've raised over $20 million between us and our super-pacs. this places us about in the middle of the pack. last time i looked we were fifth. we have a very lean campaign. we have very committed volunteer audience. so we have a lot of people, i was just in iowa and had 60 people calling on the phone on a saturday. but you know what? they were all volunteers.

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