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stopping the attack. over to you. >> it is official policy. california is the first state to have taxpayer funded sex change surgeries for prisoners. the cost of each surgery and related care could run anywhere from 50 to $100,000. is this an appropriate use of taxpayer money? here to debate columnist and psychology expert dr. gina lou den and psychotherapist daily. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> so the first question, most obvious, why is it now that prisoners should be allowed to have this surgery on the taxpayer's dime? >> well, what's happened is that prisoners file petitions with the federal government asking them to pay for these surgeries because they deem them medically necessary. and the medical community agrees. under the u.s. constitution and the eighth amendment, when we imprison people, we can't do so under cruel and unusual punishment. so it's considered cruel and

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