introduced to. i sent five resumes, and henry bush walked in and said hey, kid, what are you doing? he said what are you doing, i said looking for work. he said what do you want to do? i said i want to work for you. he said come see me at 11:00, i think he was just being polite. but i showed up at 11:00 -- >> what did it entail? >> i had to go to the show every single night. joan rivers was filling in. it was probably the most exciting time to be around johnny carson, and i had the time of my life. >> i think he saw in me, bill, someone who was very committed, anxious and committed and loyal. which i am, i'm a very loyal person. >> you also worked with joan rivers, advising her? >> loved joan rivers, there was only one joan rivers. >> so how do you go to advising the stars to becoming a fox news