learned how to do more with less. >> john mccormick with the "weekly standard" and chief political correspondent for "the washington examiner" byron york. we are trying to put scotch tape and whole system back together. the problem is the irs is broken. top to bottom. the system is broken. >> i think so. john koskinen was supposed to come in there and clean stuff up. what we learned from the targeting scandal and previous testimony is that he seemed to be much more of a partisan guy who is just defending the president and playing defense all the time. arrests the congressman just laid out the funding level has stayed flat from last year and customer service went down double weight waited times. double bonuses reinstated predecessor the temporary commissioner wanted to get rid of those. once you get past the millions we are talking about. we need to look at the billions. that's actually the money that's going out fraudulently. billions of dollars earned income tax credit, additional child tax credit. if you got some of that money back you wouldn't have to be quibbling about this. >> may seem insignificant