>> in terms of her pay and those speeches, on an hourly rate, most ceos would love to get her rate. i think she is not that credible. as a champion also, remember, when she in some cases was collecting these big checks from universities and when she was making her tour around the country speaking, there were some kids on these campuses saying wow, that could have gone a long way toward tuition, for example, if hillary had not been demanding such high speaking fees. she's got some work to do to convince people she's a champion of the middle class. >> kim, same question to you. can she be a credible champion of the middle class? >> i don't even know how she can do this. here's the problem. hillary clinton has been out of elected politics for a long time now. she has spent all of those years positioning herself to be the inevitable nominee for the party in 2016. but while she's been out of this and busy doing it, the party has

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