moment to pull out his weapon? >> yeah, in defense he had that right but his decision was based on safety. his decision, the safety of his family, also, frankly, the safety of those kids he figured if he could take it, i guess in that moment, he would. >> how did he know, though -- i mean, kevin, what do you think? because really, i mean, those blows were serious, hard blows to the head. i mean, at some point he could have been rendered unconscious. they could have killed him. he could have had severe injuries. turns out he didn't. certainly his life, an argument can be made, is in jeopardy here. >> he's lucky. when you get hit from behind, as a fighter, i can tell you you want to know where shots are coming from. the one you can't see is the one that really gets you. he got extremely lucky. the kids are very lucky because i know a lot of people who wouldn't have shown that level of restraint. >> and as a fighter, i looked at the shots that he took, he took a couple of pretty heavy blows there. you can't see the blows he's getting when up against the window. >> the blows he took, all of