in the last 24 hours after "the new york times" broke this bombshell store and say the secretary of states have done this forever. condy rice really used e-mail and never once used a personal e-mail. yet when you go back to 2007 one of the -- hillary clinton's defenders, john podeska, when referring to what was going on in the bush administration, they said he is end of the day it looked like they were trying to avoid the records act by operating official business off the official business. >> tim:. there he is saying that what the republicans were doing is wrong but now the. >> dick: are saying everybody does it. jason cha frksfchaffis was part of a news story. according to his business card it's got his gmail address on it. if you wade through the whole story, the last line is that the business card is not paid for by the federal government.