>> this is wake-up call. if they can wreak that kind of havoc in the entertainment industry, then you've got to worry that where else their reach is how much of a wake-up call is it really? that is arizona republican jeff flake on the sony's not releasing the movie. north korean leader kim jong-un is assassinated at end of the movie. that is strengthens the hackers fueling more attacks in the future. fbi is trying to find out who is behind it. my next guest is dubious about all that i just said. he is a computer security expert, certified ethical hacker and computer forensic investigator. vinnie, good to have you back on our program. good morning to you there in saint luis. >> thank you. bill: take it point by point. you think the connection between north korea and sony is dubious at best. why? >> at best. the only, remote shred of