but you need to good way beyond that because firewalls and the standard antivirus programs don't cut it anymore. there are at least 315,000 different forms of malware that show up every -- >> 315,000. >> yes. there's no way. there's no way, shep, any of the standard antivirus programs can actually do anything against the latest variance of these types of malware. so, the best thing to do is to in essence protect your data. make sure your files are as sanitized as possible. the standard antivirus companies don't sell anything else and it's hard for people trying to run their businesses to find these pieces of protection. but that's real where what needs to happen. >> bigger picture, sony is an enormous technical company with enormous safeguards in place, and then there's electrical grid