and in this case, i would. i don't think that there's any excuse, especially when i heard you say that there were hammers in that bag. >> yeah. three hammers and a mask. all right. well, that's interesting because i certainly would put him on a leave of absence right away. and if convicted, i would fire him. i would give him the presumption of innocence. so mary -- >> can i raise a point with you, though, about your talking points memo? i think when anybody asks questions about excessive force by police or something like that, you know, then all of a sudden there are people who are going to say, oh, you hate the police. i don't think that's the case at all. >> why? did you not hear the channelcha? >> people admire the police greatly. we don't want to live in a police state. that led to the revolution. >> i don't think any sane person thinks they're living in a -- >> when you have unarmed people shot in the streets, people are going to raise questions. >> raising questions are fine. saying that they want dead police officers as these demonstrators did is not fine. >> that's a small group. by highlighting them, it looks
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