aircraft bound for different cities in the eu and the uk designed to create mass casualties and the mass pr that they love to do. part of the problem here, the reason why this is so difficult is because of what's happening in syria and iraq with the establishment of this extremist state by isis. what that has allowed is for al qaeda -- remember we talked about this khorasan group. that's a bunch of al qaeda operatives who moved into syria near aleppo to take advantage of the chaos. it's a safe haven for them. they have the ability to further train in comfort, almost, if you will, and to plot and plan something like this. we -- >> when you said like this, like 9/11, you say something where you commandeer the planes and crash them into buildings and that sort of thing? >> more of a coordinated effort where you're seizing planes, you're attacking multiple planes through the use of explosives right now is what they're talking about. look, the uk has even been considering banning all hand luggage. bad enough taking your shoes off