>> that's what you're objecting to? >> objecting -- >> we'll get to weather underground in a second. that's what the professor believes. he believed that the ends do justify the means and if you want to change the things about america to which you object and you try through peaceful means yunld do not get anywhere, then what recourse do you have but to push then vel lope and in some circumstances break the law. >> first of all there was a big difference between martin luther king breaking the law and bill ayres breaking the law. martin luther king broke the law nonviolently. he said if i break the law, i should accept the penalty. i shouldn't go into hiding. i should go to prison. so i'm going to call the law into question morally and i'm going to sway the american people because i believe in the goodness of the american people. bill ayres group, it was the spirit of 1968. this was the radical spirit that saw themselves as a force for evil and how bad america was and