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this was wider than just politics. i mean, there were some israeli groups that were kept from their tax-exempt status, and they were delayed as well. this was a liberty issue for all of us. >> yeah. >> to me, that is a disaster, and it was inherent in what he was saying. they should have backed it up and looked at the backup. >> it should matter. as bad as you thought this was, it keeps getting worse pause their answers are -- because their answers are so evasive and so deficient that it really makes you question. and the irs, this isn't just like the epa or anybody else, this is the irs who's keeping tabs on all of us, and they're not keeping tabs on themselves. it's shameful and incompute bl, so there has to be some accountability and repercussions here. i don't know who's going to do it, but at least they're asking the questions. take a listen to the attorney for the groups targeted by the irs, and then we'll get our thoughts. >> now they're saying that they just conveniently lost the most relevant e-mails of the central figure in this investigation who

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