what do you make of that argument? >> well, rick vieth. the problem is this is all about politics and not good policy. i was at a con vens this week as well and it was all about women voters. 2-thirds of whom are minimum wage earners are women. the problem is they're presenting this as a way to alleviate poverty but that's not because people are in low paid fast food jobs it's because they don't have access to jobs at all. less than 9% of people living in poverty who are 16 and older had full time work. 67% didn't have work at all. this is the problem. it's not the low wages. >> so rich it slammed those that are poor. is that what you think too? >> well, of course it does. and it could set in motion a bunch of things that could be destructive for seattle's growth. let us not forget in the 1970s seattle is so busted there was a billboard that said will the last person to leave seattle please turn out the lights.