were so they have some kind of feeling about what it means to be a veteran and how important it is to take care of them. and i think that the bottom line to all that is we got to look at the leadership that exists in the va, and i know general shinseki is gone now but that's not -- it's not about him. it's about the leadership from there all the way down in every hospital. needs to be leaders that are making sure the right things are being done by those people that are going to take care of our veterans. >> j.r. you know and talk to a lot of your buddies in fellow service members. how do they feel about all of this and do they feel they're appreciated? make them think twice about how committed their country is to them? to look after them? >> they feel completely unappreciated. they feel their service -- what was it for? a lot of of them were proud of the service we have done for this country and for the freedom we enjoy every day, whether for ourselves or our families or strangers around the country,