through and the judge said yeah, the congress -- the person was persuaded to come aoun other questions or persuaded to give documents if that's what the subpoena was about. was persuaded to do that. when there is the threat of jail time that's a way of making them find the lord and do the right thing. so we hope this happens i keep emphasizing. something of this importance, paramount importance, first amendment liberties, you have got -- we have got to get to the truth. the only means we have right now is to hold her in contempt and we didn't. >> she says she ♪ going to talk. why don't you subpoena people who worked underneath her, grant them immunity and guy them to ape questions. they probably know more intimately. >> i sat down some of those. >> are he they talking freely. >> they were under oath. wasn't a formal deposition but they had counsel. we asked them question. have you been in a lot of these. some people weren't necessarily under her.