problems that the exchanges are having because they don't have enough young and healthy people. so they hope, are you saying, will get more of those young and healthy people into the exchanges? >> that's right. the enrollment figures the administration released this week sbhoed 3 million sign-ups so far. how many of those are real sign-ups and duplications or people who haven't paid yet remains to be seen. but the demographics of the exchanges, they need to be 40% younger and healthier people. what we're seeing is only about 25% in that group. >> wow! what about the legality of this. >> yeah, right. >> a small detail. a lot of people including us argue that if you look at the statute, there is no, it doesn't say, impose it in 2016. not after the end of 2013. >> it is not in there. you can study all those words in obamacare and not final those words. you can't find the legal
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