loose relationship with the truth. these are the people he wants to bring into the voting pool because guess what? they need to increase their base. that's what this is about. by the way, stop messing around with this. it's state's rights to do the voting laws, and he wants to just go ahead and put everything under his big umbrella so he can mess it up some more. can't wait to see that. >> let's go to bob and then greg. >> there's such a thing as paying your debt to society, which is what incarceration is about and parole is about. after that, the slate is supposed to be clean. these laws were passed in the jim crow days. it's hundreds of years old. they're antiques, they're absolutely, as far as i'm concerned, unconstitutional. >> i think it depends on the crime, is my point. >> i assume they -- did they not say they were not going to allow certain -- >> i don't think just violent is enough. >> kimberly's point is the states have a role. can we get greg's last word? >> clearly, he's turning a cell block into a voting block. i agree with bob.