if the kids are not slaves and they want to work, people have free choice. >> zaph 5% is the important 5% we look out for those there is no reason why we cannot look at the 5% better earning the minimum wage. >> the defeatist mentality is there is a culpability on of the 5% and basically you are incentivizing people rather than work up the ladder you shave off the bottom rungs by hiking the standard for everyone's been a this is america, it will adjust and all the chickens falling argument never bear out each time we raise it. >> it is government creep. it is clear. [laughter] john: talk about inequality between the four in the rich. what is rich?