all these horrible things. why go do it. but yesterday i said -- when i was i was for single payer, you said really? what about medicare, $200 billion in fraud -- >> your imitation of eric. >> sort of like that. blue cross blue shield association said in private insurance, there's $226 billion a year in waste, fraud and abuse. >> but they eat that. private companies eat the waste, fraud and abuse. >> really? >> in the government, we the taxpayer, eat that. >> fold that back up and use it for something else. >> it shows what the insurance companies are up to. >> her demeanor bothered a lot of people. >> okay, maybe i'm -- yes, i think there were some things to quibble about with her hearing, but i thought she did pretty well. i mean her tone in most of the things, especially initially, she was -- she took responsibility. she was gracious. she didn't have any moments