costs way up. one thing we know, factually is that health care is at its lowest rate in 15 years. you can't say obama care solved it. but you can argue whether obama care contributed to it, it is hard to say when inflation is at its lowest in 15 years -- >> explain to me, sir, why i got an e-mail today, a woman said she is in her 70s, both she and her husband's supplemental insurance is going up each month. >> when you have a company with 300 million people, there are going to be winners and losers, the opponents, they single out individual people rather than looking at what is happening overall. and overall, health care inflation is at its lowest rate in 15 years. >> but if we can talk numbers in health care inflation, but if there are going to be less doctors who are going to go into providing medicare services, i mean, this is not by any means sort of the end-all answer. i mean, there are a lot of problems, a lot of people have
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