it was a disgusting alternative and that is the choice we made. what happened since that moment, is where we got ourselves in trouble. it was the slippery slope. it's the eight plus billion national debt and you pick winners and losers. that's where we got ourselves and trouble and didn't learn our lesson, lesson that europe may have learned better in the fact they adopted some austerity measures in countries that we will never learn. >> neil, i just heard you talking about welfare reform, and one of the problems in terms of reforming any of these welfare programs, a lot of americans say, wait a minute, we're going to kick the young mother on welfare off welfare but we're not going to get the multibillion dollar banks off welfare so it institutionalizes -- >> neil: don't blame them. everyone is at the trough. >> take everybody off the
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