done it. you should go right up to that line. throw punches for your client staying within the ethical realms. i have fought with judges and wagged my finger at a judge throwing out a murder conviction and later reinstated by the supreme court. this is a fight. this is combat basically within ethical rules and doesn't surprise me that people get cross sometimes. i think she is a pretty good judge. >> we only have 30 seconds. if there's a conviction, different judges are known for being long hitters in terms of heavy sentence. what in general is this judge's reputation? manslaughter, is she a heavy hitting judge, medium or low? >> i would say the reputation from medium to hard. there's going to be a very fair sentencing hearing and both sides bring out everything they can and make a decision but not a soft sentencer by any stretch of the imagination.