floor of the senate, there are 11 million people who are in this country illegally, and they're here in de facto amnesty. i say that to one side, and being exploited and mistreated in many ways without the protections that ordinary citizens have. that's why i think they need a legal status, but a tough, tough path to citizenship. jon: we saw the difference in viewpoints between yourself and texas senator john cornyn. what about the states here? i mean, do the states have any individual say in how some of these border control measures get put in place on their own respective borders? >> yes, they do. and in one of the provisions of the bill, if after five years we have not achieved certain goals, that there will be a commission to spend additional funds, and most of the members of that commission will be from states that are affected by or on the mexico southern border and some on our northern border.