are those more important than making certain that our planes take off on time and land safely? i don't think so. >> bill: all right. so it's being demagogued. the issue is being demagogued. >> sure. >> bill: some might say from both sides. i'm just interested in getting the fiscal house in order. now, senator rubio said something interesting and i think he believes it but he is naive. when he says that the -- what the american people have to understand is down the road this is going to be catastrophic. the american people don't have to understand anything. and they don't. it's a hypothetical that the country is going into bankruptcy. certainly possible but it's a hypothetical. they can't see it or feel it. so, with the press not really reporting the story honestly, and they are not. they are hyping up ray la hood's contention that they are not going to be able to put air traffic controllers in there. the press runs with that how are the american people supposed to know what the hell is going on? >> i would say two things to it i would agree we need
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