what do you call sinful -- what do you call it it sinful spending. >> you want to spend the money the way the taxpayer is allotting it to you on rent and food. not entertainment, gambling and liquor, come on. >> it's abuse. when i ran for governor. >> bill: you are admitting that welfare is abused. >> it's being abused. it needs to be reformed. >> bill: i'm glad i think we agree that this needs to be reformed. how big a problem do you see at the manhattan institute of abuse of welfare? we just came off the thing where i said i wouldn't print the names of welfare people but i would print the names of welfare cheats, people who get money from the public and then spend it on frivolous things, narcotics or booze or whatever. i think that's a horrible abuse of the taxpayer how prevalent is that kind that. >> eligibility for food stamps
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