so we have to raise that. the third thing we need 2 1/2 trillion dollar and 10-year deficit reduction. means government spending cults to entitlement programs primarily and tax revenue in increases. if policymakers do those three things then i think we'll be in okay shape. we'll not solve all our problems ad infinitum into the future but that would be sufficient, that would be enough to keep stock prices moving upward and economy moving forward. jenna: let's talk about the 10-year part of all of this because you mentioned earlier that what we want to see is a plan for the next 10 years. but some people look at that, okay, they will get a deal. they will say they will do something over the next 10 years and there is no guaranty they will do it. there is always something that happens in the country, natural disaster, war, anything. economists are like weather forecasters in that way. you have to account for the unexpected. >> right. jenna: what about those 10-year time frameworks. how should we even take that? >> well i think some of the spending cuts we're talking about here, implemented